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Fentanyl Synthesis
- Thread starter Needtolearn
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But seriously, if it's "like 60% purity" from this magical "stir together any old shit in some pots and pans"-synthesis, what is the other 40%?
Honestly, I hope everyone who makes fentanyl will use this method from now on. Baby tea and vinegar never killed anyone.
Hey guys, interesting stuff once again. So sad that these kind of chems are almost impossible to come by unless you have an amazing source or you are a chemist yourself.
i had (I think by pure chance and luck too) found a legitimate fent hcl supplier who worked in an Indian lab/manufacturing plant where they stole these chems from time to time and sold it for a very good price too. All in all amazing stuff since an independent test said it was 99%> purity. At the same time found people who where up to buy certain things for certain amounts, I’ll keep that private though here in public.
unfortunately he became unreliable and extremely unprofessional and annoying and even scammed me and another customer for around 400$. Threatened to report him to Interpol etc since he was acting so unhinged suddenly and eventually he deleted his entire proton mail account. Zero sources now.
He also had super stealth and shipping times which was unbelievable. 5 daya from India to the Netherlands! That usually takes weeks or up to a month.
if anyone is willing to DM me about this and were talking about making solid amounts of captain crunch. I’d be so thankful and obviously share all profits fairly. Thanks and apologies for posting this here. (if access to private sections of the forum are allowed, could we please discuss this too)
Sorry for repost but this seemed a more appropriate thread for it.
i had (I think by pure chance and luck too) found a legitimate fent hcl supplier who worked in an Indian lab/manufacturing plant where they stole these chems from time to time and sold it for a very good price too. All in all amazing stuff since an independent test said it was 99%> purity. At the same time found people who where up to buy certain things for certain amounts, I’ll keep that private though here in public.
unfortunately he became unreliable and extremely unprofessional and annoying and even scammed me and another customer for around 400$. Threatened to report him to Interpol etc since he was acting so unhinged suddenly and eventually he deleted his entire proton mail account. Zero sources now.
He also had super stealth and shipping times which was unbelievable. 5 daya from India to the Netherlands! That usually takes weeks or up to a month.if anyone is willing to DM me about this and were talking about making solid amounts of captain crunch. I’d be so thankful and obviously share all profits fairly. Thanks and apologies for posting this here. (if access to private sections of the forum are allowed, could we please discuss this too
)Sorry for repost but this seemed a more appropriate thread for it.
Hey mate what do you mean exactly? Feel free to DM me please and I will give my proton email address!
Does anyone have a synthesis for 4-piperidone?
- By madmaximus
It is hard to make the synthesis by yourself , it is easier to buy it .
It's the _one_ chemical I can't seem to find anywhere for sale :-(
... Probably because it's used for fentanyl synthesis, lol.
... Probably because it's used for fentanyl synthesis, lol.
Everyone here be shitting on people who synthesize this. There is evil in the world we live in and we shouldn't judge people who use it NEITHER the people who make it. Don't forget that that the only reason why big crime syndicates can ever sell this compound is because the stupid rules that we follow made it possible in the first place. Fentanyl has medical uses and if prescribed and used properly it can help people. We don't hate pharma companies for making it so why hate clandestine chemists for doing the same thing.
I don't use fentanyl but I don't judge people who do or make it. It's no different from other drugs most people use. Sure it kills you quicker but it's not an excuse to use the other drugs. People always say "Yeah I use meth BUT I WOULD NEVER USE SOMETHING LIKE LSD OR FENTANYL. Those are the true evil." Don't be stupid, stop making excuses for your habit. Stop making what you do acceptable because of something else. Accept that what you're doing is your choice, just as it is for people who use or make fentanyl.
I don't use fentanyl but I don't judge people who do or make it. It's no different from other drugs most people use. Sure it kills you quicker but it's not an excuse to use the other drugs. People always say "Yeah I use meth BUT I WOULD NEVER USE SOMETHING LIKE LSD OR FENTANYL. Those are the true evil." Don't be stupid, stop making excuses for your habit. Stop making what you do acceptable because of something else. Accept that what you're doing is your choice, just as it is for people who use or make fentanyl.
I agree. I don't judge the people who make or use it. Just the people who cut drugs with it without telling their customers, just to increase their profits. That's how people get killed.
Let's just hope nobody gets to die from attempting procedures as such (it's actually the success that is the real killer)
I’ve seen the cartels do this in a T-shirt with no respirator in a barrel with a stick….
- By OrgUnikum
Yes its a nice show they put up for the clowns from VICE and US TV in general. It is not real of course, the myth of F being produced by hundreds of small manufacturers stirring in sheds in some old pots with 50 kg of F in bags just sitting in at the wall, come on, reality check. The cartels would have to supply the precursors and to take off the product for trafficing and sale. Why should they outsource the production when they can just grab some people off the road and force them to do it for being allowed to stay alive? The methods are probably almost realistic, the scale is not, of course they run superlabs for this and the whole story with the many small producers is just deception after they got their meth superlabs raided too often.
So, whats happening? Mexico makes not much Crystal Meth anymore just some razemic meth cut with N-ISO. All the real d.Meth comes from China and bordering countries where the Triads have buildt up massive production capacities but they cannot sell much in China anymore and the other SE countries are cracking down hard too. So instead of selling precursors for Meth to Mexico they sell the product directly and everybody is happy. F though they cannot produce and sell from China to Mexico say the US, thats political and as the Triads and the Chinese Communist Party are tightly interwoven in some regions of South China they made a deal: Precursors for F superlabs and d.Meth directly. Cartels happy as the got rid of the tedious Methlabs and have only to run the much more compact F labs and the Chinese as they still make money and more having F produced cheap and sold to the US of course takes away the traditional source of black money from the CIA, they depend since ages on the Heroin trade for their black ops and that just dried out.
I though can congratulate the wise Chinese leaders for this genius plot to defund the CIA. At least somebody is really caring about the world it seems
So, whats happening? Mexico makes not much Crystal Meth anymore just some razemic meth cut with N-ISO. All the real d.Meth comes from China and bordering countries where the Triads have buildt up massive production capacities but they cannot sell much in China anymore and the other SE countries are cracking down hard too. So instead of selling precursors for Meth to Mexico they sell the product directly and everybody is happy. F though they cannot produce and sell from China to Mexico say the US, thats political and as the Triads and the Chinese Communist Party are tightly interwoven in some regions of South China they made a deal: Precursors for F superlabs and d.Meth directly. Cartels happy as the got rid of the tedious Methlabs and have only to run the much more compact F labs and the Chinese as they still make money and more having F produced cheap and sold to the US of course takes away the traditional source of black money from the CIA, they depend since ages on the Heroin trade for their black ops and that just dried out.
I though can congratulate the wise Chinese leaders for this genius plot to defund the CIA. At least somebody is really caring about the world it seems
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You do not know what you say.
In Mexico, Chinese precursors are not needed to manufacture meth.
We have everything to manufacture it.
And it is made in chemical plants, and they have been obtaining the D isomer for years, everything is an industrialized process.
Production costs are so low that transporting it from China is more expensive than manufacturing it. And it would be absurd to adulterate such a cheap product.
In Mexico, Chinese precursors are not needed to manufacture meth.
We have everything to manufacture it.
And it is made in chemical plants, and they have been obtaining the D isomer for years, everything is an industrialized process.
Production costs are so low that transporting it from China is more expensive than manufacturing it. And it would be absurd to adulterate such a cheap product.
- By Doktor Faust
According to the available information, in Mexico, meth is produced starting from benzyl cyanide (or benzyl chloride), via APAAN, BMK and formic acid/methylamine. The resulting racemic meth is then resolved, using, very likely, tartaric acid or a derivative thereof (e. g. dibenzoyl tartaric acid), producing the desired (+) meth (i. e. dextrometh). Finally, the free base is treated with HCl to get the final product, i.e. “ice”. The (-) meth is discarded, as it is inactive. The resulting ice still has a small amount of (-) meth (few per cents, as detected by chiral HPLC), but that does not affect the potency. Apparently, a profitable and efficient procedure, despite that one half (- meth or levometh) is discarded.
It seems that they do not use any chiral precursor (e.g. +ephedrine or +pseudoephedrine), unlike some other manufacturers.
So, most likely, Mexican ice is a genuine, “made in Mexico” product.
But, in producing fentanyl, it seems that Mexico is much less self-sufficient, supposedly depending on some imported precursors. (Still, it is cheap). Much more so in the case of 3-Me f. and carfent. (Actually, these are hardly produced there, although could be highly profitable).
They might be interested in purchasing industrial, know-how procedures, to get fully self-sufficient.
It seems that they do not use any chiral precursor (e.g. +ephedrine or +pseudoephedrine), unlike some other manufacturers.
So, most likely, Mexican ice is a genuine, “made in Mexico” product.
But, in producing fentanyl, it seems that Mexico is much less self-sufficient, supposedly depending on some imported precursors. (Still, it is cheap). Much more so in the case of 3-Me f. and carfent. (Actually, these are hardly produced there, although could be highly profitable).
They might be interested in purchasing industrial, know-how procedures, to get fully self-sufficient.
I say it’s a figure of speech rather, with respirator the dude said he knows that he’s doing it right by the tachycardia. Having the magical power of not getting easily addicted to opiates makes me look at this more seriously. Or maybe just the toughness of addiction that I couldn’t fix in some friends deciding for me.
I just know it’s a huge amount and people have died from the package itself.
- By OrgUnikum
You got any trustworthy source for such a statement? As I think thats like the policemen dropping into comas when just looking at something what might be F, propaganda. Like it is "scientific proven" that 1 mg per kg bodyweight resembles a deadly dose of Amphetamine. See Wikipedia and the article they name for this bullshit.
So yes its dangerous but so are many things we work with. I think so its not possible to scare people off, it never worked. why not more constructive like telling people that they must use a glovebox when handling this and much more so when handling Car-F what should never be distributed in pure form anyways. And some tips and links on how easy it actually is to make such a box complete with underpressure and HEPA filter plus an Ozone generator inside to get rid of all what might have remained.
Just my 2 Cents (€ Cents of course)
So yes its dangerous but so are many things we work with. I think so its not possible to scare people off, it never worked. why not more constructive like telling people that they must use a glovebox when handling this and much more so when handling Car-F what should never be distributed in pure form anyways. And some tips and links on how easy it actually is to make such a box complete with underpressure and HEPA filter plus an Ozone generator inside to get rid of all what might have remained.
Just my 2 Cents (€ Cents of course)