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Methamphetamine from ephedrine tablets via red P

Methamphetamine from ephedrine tablets via red P on the kitchen.

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Special thanks to @the money for this video!
What an informative and fun video!!! Is it truly that absurdly simple? Obviously the video was shot a while ago and things have changed with the added binders in the pills these days but would this process still hold up today?
I just attempted the Moscow route for the first time and it was a bit disappointing to me..But that being said, I am a bit of a novice and this was my first foray after purchasing some basic organic chemistry glassware and hotplate etc..
A question if I may...Why is sodium thiosulfate used in the moscow route reaction?
and is it possible for excess sodium hydroxide and sodium thiosulfate to migrate into the toluene with the methamphetamine oil?
Thanks for digging up that video!!
 
I know this one very well. Its hilarious. Really does take you back into the days where people cooked meth, everywhere. It used to be in every American household. Crazy that nowadays people lose their minds over the tiniest amount of these crystals.
 
hello
First of all, thank you for your sharing. Secondly, I have several questions to ask you,
1. In the video, how much is the temperature of mixing red phosphorus, iodine and ephedrine for an hour and a half?
2. Sodium thiosulfate is not used in the video. Red Devil Lye What is this? Are they a substitute? If not, what about using sodium thiosulfate?
3. Sulphuric acid cannot be bought in my country. Can HCL gas be replaced by HCL solid?
 
Red devil lye is sodium hydroxide..used to unclog drains or in extractions to raise the pH of a solution.
And for hcl gas I use muriatic acid/hydrochloric acid mixed with calcium chloride(a dessicant) to produce hcl gas..it is a much less volatile reaction compared to others..
 
Red devil lye is sodium hydroxide..used to unclog drains or in extractions to raise the pH of a solution.
And for hcl gas I use muriatic acid/hydrochloric acid mixed with calcium chloride(a dessicant) to produce hcl gas..it is a much less volatile reaction compared to others..
Hydrochloric acid reacts with calcium chloride to produce hydrogen chloride gas. In this method, calcium chloride is easily soluble in water, which requires a large amount of calcium chloride and a very high concentration of hydrochloric acid. I can't do it here. I don't have such a high concentration of hydrochloric acid.
 
G. Patton had explained that the sodium thiosulfates only purpose is to get rid of excess iodine and plays no other role in the reaction.
 
Hydrochloric acid reacts with calcium chloride to produce hydrogen chloride gas. In this method, calcium chloride is easily soluble in water, which requires a large amount of calcium chloride and a very high concentration of hydrochloric acid. I can't do it here. I don't have such a high concentration of hydrochloric acid.
 
I just looked at my hydrochloric acid bottle and the concentration says 37.4% so it is not super concentrated. and since I am still learning, I am just doing small scale reactions..I put about 1 tablespoon of calcium chloride in an empty rinsed out shampoo bottle with a small hose attached and add just enough acid to cover calcium chloride and shake gently..In about a minute it generated enough gas by squeezing bottle to precipitate crystals...and since there is no pressure to speak of, I just fold the tubing over when I am finished and leave it outside...it seems to remain active for about a week or so to be re used...
I am just a beginner but maybe this helps you a bit.
 
Hi. Sodium thiosulfate bounds iodine (I2) residues from the solution.

No, they won't.
Hello again..another quick question for you. Apparently according to the video, the reaction time was an hour and a half rite? I am curious as to why under the Moscow route we must reflux for 24 hours? Due to the toxic fumes produced by the reaction? To be a bit 'safer and organized' rather than just blasting fumes all over your house perhaps?
 
Hello again..another quick question for you. Apparently according to the video, the reaction time was an hour and a half rite? I am curious as to why under the Moscow route we must reflux for 24 hours? Due to the toxic fumes produced by the reaction? To be a bit 'safer and organized' rather than just blasting fumes all over your house perhaps?
Thank you for your advice and experience!
 
Hello again..another quick question for you. Apparently according to the video, the reaction time was an hour and a half rite? I am curious as to why under the Moscow route we must reflux for 24 hours? Due to the toxic fumes produced by the reaction? To be a bit 'safer and organized' rather than just blasting fumes all over your house perhaps?
It is done in order to increase a reaction yield. I mean prolonged reflux.
 
Just a quick question..Does acetone dissolve any psuedoephedrine when used to was red coating off of pills? And does it actually work to wash ground up pills and rid them of the coating?
 
In the video they are using "muriatic acid" to extract the idodin ,but he has a bottle of "amazing liquid fire" which is sulfartic acid is this a mistake or will either acid work
 
In the video they are using "muriatic acid" to extract the idodin ,but he has a bottle of "amazing liquid fire" which is sulfartic acid is this a mistake or will either acid work
I would just stick with muriatic..it works perfectly
 
Hi, could anyone help to spill out some details regarding the dosage of each item in each process. Example like how many pseduo pills required in the early process and the measurement of ethanol/water used..really appreciate it..
 
Hello everyone, I have a question.Does anyone know how to replace amphetamine sulfate powder=>methamphetamine hydrochloride?Thanks for everyone's comments.
 
Oh and also, is muriatic acid and calcium chloride a viable way to produce hcl gas or is it better to use muriatic and tin foil to generate gas?
I think that (HCl+H20)+Al ( I assume by tin foil you mean aluminum foil)
HCl+Al =(H+ gas)+ AlCl
Ie hydrogen gas and aluminum chloride, no hydrogen chloride gas is produced.
Sulfuric acid dehydrates Hydrochloric acid releasing hydrogen chloride gas, calcium chloride is also a drying agent. It may be possible to just heat hydrochloric acid to produce HCl gas, but I'm not positive
 
I did not understand, should I use pure ephedrine or ephedrine hydrochloride?
You can either use ephedrine hcl or pseudo ephedrine hcl...Reason being that it is a water based reaction so the material must be water soluble. Pretty sure all decongestant pills are hcl so as to be able to be absorbed in the body.
Hope that helps!
 
Is there another video like this that illustrates the quality of making with high professionalism? I can buy it if possible.
 
Is there another video like this that illustrates the quality of making with high professionalism? I can buy it if possible.
Hi..If you check out William Dampier Methamphetamine from pills post, you can use the Moscow Route which is the same synthesis as the one in the video..It is what you would use to keep things safe so to speak..But you do need some proper glassware such as round bottom flask, electric heat source and condenser tube..It is a very easy to follow synthesis..Hope that helps.
 
Hello...I just thought of another question regarding the video and comparison to the Moscow synthesis (William Dampier)..In the video, it appears that about 100ml of water is used for approx 9g( 144 pills at 60mg) of psuedoephedrine..And in the Moscow we only use 2ml of water for 2g of psuedo..
I guess my question would be, what or how does the amount of water affect the reaction?
 
Hello...I just thought of another question regarding the video and comparison to the Moscow synthesis (William Dampier)..In the video, it appears that about 100ml of water is used for approx 9g( 144 pills at 60mg) of psuedoephedrine..And in the Moscow we only use 2ml of water for 2g of psuedo..
I guess my question would be, what or how does the amount of water affect the reaction?
Please I want to talk to you in private this is my private email [email protected] for the utensils and all the materials and tools I have on them I only lack the method of manufacture to be clear
 
Private dialog via @gmail isn't good idea. Use XMPP jabber or anonymous e-mail like Proton.
Please, how can I contact you? I want to buy a video that shows how to make crystal meth using pseudoephedrine, iodine and phosphorus, please help
 
And why would you want to buy a video when the one above is free and it goes over exactly what you want to know..Really, its all pretty much there!
 
Because I see it as an unprofessional work and there are things that are not clear in that video for me I see it as random work
 
Hi. Sodium thiosulfate bounds iodine (I2) residues from the solution.

No, they won't.
Seems it's not nessencary,

If you want to synthesize NaI, you would generally react iodine with sodium or sodium hydroxide in an appropriate solvent, not with NaCl.
 
Now can someone tell me if this video will work :) This is the exact content of the sudafed tablets I have.

Active substance: 60 Mg pseudoephedrine
Excipients: Lactose, starch, povidone and magnesium stearate.

I have a couple of questions.
1. After obtaining pseudoephedrine in its pure form, can one proceed in the same way as in the video?
2.Would the methods in this video work with the tablets I have?
 
Now can someone tell me if this video will work :) This is the exact content of the sudafed tablets I have.

Active substance: 60 Mg pseudoephedrine
Excipients: Lactose, starch, povidone and magnesium stearate.

I have a couple of questions.
1. After obtaining pseudoephedrine in its pure form, can one proceed in the same way as in the video?
2.Would the methods in this video work with the tablets I have?
Do and you will succeed
 
Hey hey..I just wanted to throw this link out there for anyone interested..I know its a bit older but it works quite well for extracting pseudo freebase from most pills, including the red coating...I think it pulls out a pretty clean freebase but Im not an expert! Its also relatively easy for the 'kitchen chemist' in my opinion...

 
Hi, I loved the video, but I don't quite understand how the amounts are. In the process of Moscow route they say that it is 2ml of water, but in the video it is clearly more. Could someone tell me the percentages for the reactions.
Thanks in advance
 
你好......我只是想到了另一个关于视频和与莫斯科合成(William Dampier)比较的问题......在视频中,似乎大约100毫升的水用于大约9克(144粒60毫克)伪麻黄碱。 .在莫斯科,我们只使用 2 毫升水来制作 2 克伪酱。
我想我的问题是,水的量对反应有何影响或如何影响?
Can you send me another video of the Moscow Route
 
Hi guys, do you have a solution on how to use ephedra plant extract instead of ephedrine pills? Ephedra plant extract is very cheap and available.
 
HI THERE I RLY DONT HAVE CRYSTALS IIODINE IN MY COUNTRY CAN I USE SOMETHING ELSE AND THNKS
 
another question please can i use xylene instead of colemanfuel and any replacement for methanol(heet) thnk you guys
 
Hi, may i know if i can used Fedac Tablet - which contains: - Pseudoephedrine HCI (60mg) - Triprolidine HCI (2.5mg) Or Pseudoephedrine HCI drops for the item pseudoephedrine in the video?
 
Hello, chemistry guru, here is a recipe for a medicine. I checked the information and found that only cetirizine dihydrochloride and pseudoephedrine hydrochloride can be dissolved in ethanol. So is it possible to dissolve the drug in ethanol and obtain the filtrate? Cetirizine dihydrochloride is then removed to obtain pure pseudoephedrine hydrochloride. Can you tell me the method?


Cetirizine dihydrochloride
5mg
Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride 120 mg
Excipients: Hypromellose, lactose monohydrate, colloidal silicon dioxide, magnesium stearate, pregelatinized starch, red iron oxide, microcrystalline cellulose, c.s.
 
May i know if any of this material cas no 12004-37-4 or 1309-37-2 is same as the red p that being used in the video? Or perhaps what is the red p cas no used in the video? Thanks
 
what is the yield in terms of ephedrine use

i have contacts with manufactures From whom i can source pseudoephedrine and ephedrine CAS 90-82-4 powder and bmk CAS Number 5449-12-7 i have really good relationship with them for pseudoephedrine it cost me $1500 per kg and for BMK it cost me $30 for kg i want to know which has the higest yield in terms of price and which is good for the quality

if i go throw via red P method for pseudoephedrine and p2p to meth for bmk

also can i follow the same process like in this video if i have a complete powder form of pseudoephedrine powder 91-95% purity https://bbgate.com/media/methamphetamine-from-ephedrine-tablets-via-red-p.88/
 
what is the yield in terms of ephedrine use

i have contacts with manufactures From whom i can source pseudoephedrine and ephedrine CAS 90-82-4 powder and bmk CAS Number 5449-12-7 i have really good relationship with them for pseudoephedrine it cost me $1500 per kg and for BMK it cost me $30 for kg i want to know which has the higest yield in terms of price and which is good for the quality

if i go throw via red P method for pseudoephedrine and p2p to meth for bmk

also can i follow the same process like in this video if i have a complete powder form of pseudoephedrine powder 91-95% purity https://bbgate.com/media/methamphetamine-from-ephedrine-tablets-via-red-p.88/
Please, do not duplicate same comments in different topics!

Yes, you can follow this method. Do you have pseudoephedrine free base or hydrochloride? I can't say for sure which way would be more commercially effective. There are a lot of aspects, which have influence on the price. I guess, BMK way would be cheaper.
 
Please, do not duplicate same comments in different topics!

Yes, you can follow this method. Do you have pseudoephedrine free base or hydrochloride? I can't say for sure which way would be more commercially effective. There are a lot of aspects, which have influence on the price. I guess, BMK way would be cheaper.
yes sir i ordered bmk powder can i ask you a question
for bmk cas 5449-12-7 should i directly heat it and make it powder to liquid for p2p or i need to add ethanol , water etc for p2p before i continue with hcl like this process what i need to do before HCL
 
yes sir i ordered bmk powder can i ask you a question
for bmk cas 5449-12-7 should i directly heat it and make it powder to liquid for p2p or i need to add ethanol , water etc for p2p before i continue with hcl like this process what i need to do before HCL
If you will heat cas 5449-12-7, you won't get anything except for a spoiled precursor. You need to follow this step "Phenylacetone (P2P) synthesis from BMK glycidic acid (sodium salt)"

Write me your questions in DM please, not here.
 
In its early stages it uses methanol to extract pseudoephedrine from pills. What can I use instead of methanol in this process? Ether (diethyl ether), ethanol or naphtha, toluene or xylene are accessible to me. . There is also odorless spirit.

The drugs I have contain 60mg of pseudoephedrine. It also contains lactose, starch, povidone and magnesium stearate as excipients.
 
Is there any references to extract Pseudoephedrine HCl from fedac tablet since it also contain Triprolidine Hcl? Thanks
 
Hello, I follow the Moscow route. In the last step, hydrogen chloride gas is passed into the toluene extraction solution, and some transparent crystalline substances are obtained in the wall of the beaker, unlike the white powder in the video. I simply can't stand the pungent smell of hydrogen chloride gas. When the toluene solution is poured out at the end, there is still a small amount of yellow oily liquid at the bottom of the beaker. Am I not introducing enough hydrogen chloride?
 
In the last step, hydrogen chloride gas is passed into the toluene extraction solution,
Hi again, you are talking senescence. Please, read what is Extraction.
I simply can't stand the pungent smell of hydrogen chloride gas
Ofc you must use appropriate ventilation and full face respirator mask.
there is still a small amount of yellow oily liquid at the bottom of the beaker. Am I not introducing enough hydrogen chloride?
Probably. You have to reach pH 5-6. You can bubble HCl gas again after first filtration but it's strange.
 
Hi again, you are talking senescence. Please, read what is Extraction.

Ofc you must use appropriate ventilation and full face respirator mask.

Probably. You have to reach pH 5-6. You can bubble HCl gas again after first filtration but it's strange.
Maybe I didn't do the extraction well. 1g of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride weighs only 1.5g after drying. There is still a pungent smell of hydrogen chloride. Should I filter the solution before extracting the free base with toluene? Because when I added sodium thiosulfate and sodium hydroxide, floc was produced
 
Maybe I didn't do the extraction well. 1g of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride weighs only 1.5g after drying. There is still a pungent smell of hydrogen chloride. Should I filter the solution before extracting the free base with toluene? Because when I added sodium thiosulfate and sodium hydroxide, floc was produced
what is floc brother
 
When ppl asked to pay for personal tutor, you said just asked here, but i'm asking several times with no answer, perhaps just gave me the reference for me to explore/read by myself will do. I'm no experts, just a beginner, same as you too one time ago....
 
Hi, G. Patton. I am using ethanol for recrystallization and put the solution in the refrigerator. It cannot crystallize. What should I do? Can ethanol be allowed to evaporate naturally?
 
Hi, G. Patton. I am using ethanol for recrystallization and put the solution in the refrigerator. It cannot crystallize. What should I do? Can ethanol be allowed to evaporate naturally?
Do you wanna recrystallize meth? I don't know how much ethanol do you use for recrystallization. Probably, too much. Yes, you can evaporate it at normal condition. Recommend you to do it slowly.
 
When ppl asked to pay for personal tutor, you said just asked here, but i'm asking several times with no answer, perhaps just gave me the reference for me to explore/read by myself will do. I'm no experts, just a beginner, same as you too one time ago....
Reference is the forum. Apply some efforts to scroll pages here, read about methods, Lab FAQ. Google unknown words. Everything you need for popular synthesis is here. Nobody will do synthesis for you.
 
Do you wanna recrystallize meth? I don't know how much ethanol do you use for recrystallization. Probably, too much. Yes, you can evaporate it at normal condition. Recommend you to do it slowly.
I used heating to quickly evaporate the ethanol and obtain white crystals. I heated the white crystal, and it instantly produced white smoke, with yellow oil remaining on the glass dish. I suspect the meth was not successfully made. Crash 😞
 
I used heating to quickly evaporate the ethanol and obtain white crystals. I heated the white crystal, and it instantly produced white smoke, with yellow oil remaining on the glass dish. I suspect the meth was not successfully made. Crash 😞
And the crystals obtained are insoluble in acetone
 
I used heating to quickly evaporate the ethanol and obtain white crystals. I heated the white crystal, and it instantly produced white smoke, with yellow oil remaining on the glass dish. I suspect the meth was not successfully made. Crash 😞
https://bbgate.com/media/d-methamphetamine-hydrochloride-synthesis-via-tartaric-acid.81/ time code: 13:00
Watch there how pure meth have to melts.
And the crystals obtained are insoluble in acetone
Meth hydrochloride almost insoluble in acetone
 
It seems that I successfully produced methamphetamine, and then isolated type D methamphetamine?
I don't know. Check its melting point. Have you separated isomers? If you didn't do this, you get just racemic meth.
 
I don't have this solvent at the moment. You are talking about dissolving meth in hexane and heating it until it is completely dissolved. It is then cooled and crystallized. do you mean this
yes
 
We can use diethyl ether instead of coleman fuel, right? and how many grams of red phosphorus, how many grams of iodine and how many ml of water should we put for the hydroiodic acid reaction? Do you think this video is correct? Has anyone tried it? Thanks for your helps.
 
We can use diethyl ether instead of coleman fuel, right?
Hi, yes
and how many grams of red phosphorus, how many grams of iodine and how many ml of water should we put for the hydroiodic acid reaction? Do you think this video is correct? Has anyone tried it? Thanks for your helps.
Please, click the link under this video. There are answers to your questions.
 
Hello everyone, I wish you a good forum, I am in the process of procuring materials, I will follow the steps in the video exactly, I wonder why methamphetamine does not crystallize in the last part, is it harmful to consume it in this form, do we need to do a separate process for its crystallization?
 

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