Fentanyl vs Zenes?

[CryoThio]

I'm wondering what peoples' opinion on this might be. Fenafnyl and related compounds, and the zene family as a whole are what I'm looking at.

They are both highly potent, but what qualitative differences are there in the experience of either drug?

Also, it seems the highly potent synthetic opiods lack as much euphoria as typical heroin, according to what I've read online. Is this true?

 

[OrgUnikum]

You cannot treat all Fentanyl family opiates as one and the same, there are vast differences in potency and safety. Also euphoria, constipation, nausea etc is widely different. No idea about Zenes, nobody likes them really, I trhink its a dead end street.

IMHO the most favorable member of the Fentanoids is Car-F, which is not too short acting, provides euphoria en par or better then H and is much much more safe (provided it was cut professionally). Also it beats H regarding constipation and nausea, the latter being a bit problematic with hardcore junkies as they learned to love vomitting the same as Amphetamine users love the burning sensation in the nose.

Original F is just crap from a recreational point of view.

 

[CryoThio]

Is there any other fent analogues you recommend besides Car F? Just too potent for me to feel safe, no matter the precautions taken.

I've read 3 methyl fentanyl (still too potent for my desires) is good, and alpha methyl fentanyl.

What fentanyl analogues have "legs" aka a longer duration? Seems like fent and similar drugs suffer from the need to constantly redose, which would be nice to not have to deal with.

 

[OrgUnikum]

F itself is crap, from what I was told, CarF and other 4 substituted variations are the best, in special the ethyl ester of CF (half as potent as CF) and 4-methoxymethyl-F (about the same).

You do not want anything with a longer duration then CF which effectively comes to a little less then H. There are some variations with very long duration but they are not so enjoyable and most important they cause almost instant and very hard physical addiction. Seems the longer the receptors are saturated the quicker and harder dependency arises.
The people I know who use CF and such do this by making nose-sprays and they prefer this way of administration despite having used needles (IV) before for a long time.

 

[RegulierTier]

I read much about zenes and they should be very stimulating, more than other opioids. Peaople desrcribe it as an molecular speedball and people say they are very euphoric. I didn't read anything about lack of euphoria... More then that they are the most addictive substances on this planet.

 

[OrgUnikum]

Well possible, I have no first hand experience, I tell only what I conclude from what people I trust and those I do not trust tell. And I had the impression that Zenes after a short time left people unhappy.
What I know though is that one cannot get everything in one package, it just does not work. The combination of strong stimulants together with opiods turns everybody into a paranoid asshole of the first order. Already Cannabis + Speed makes people unsufferable. Not with a single use of course but if done more often it seems unavoidable.

 

[HerrHaber]

Curious to try out the ” zenes”

 

[RegulierTier]

A few days ago I got a gram Protonitazepyne and I must say I'm really exited about this Stuff.
I have a high tolerance because I take 1.000mg Substitol (morphiumsulfate pentahydrate) a day and this Stuff blown me away... It's far more euphoric than any other opioid I did, long lasting and... I don't know if stimulating is the right word for this... how shoud I say...? It feels like pure well-being and I'm happy that I only had a gram 1:3 mixed. If I had more, I won't get my hands off for sure. I think it's very addictive so be careful with it.

 

[RegulierTier]

And I say it again, I have a high tolerance. This Stuff is fucking potent and people who are not used to opioids could possibly die from low doses.

 

[loadingST]

I had have a bromazolam/metonitazene/Etonitazepyne mix 1:1:1:30(mannitol) and was the most hardcore stuff on the streets from ages, it goes well throw methadone, basicaly all loved it (instant nod and euphoric buzes over the body). Its much more addicting than the fent, the good think is people stoped injecting they coud smoke a point and be okey.