Improved synthesis of 4MMC

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What’s the most efficient procedure to the synthesis of 4-MMC? This is a question that appears quite frequently on this forum and with multiple ways of doing this synthesis it can be confusing for novices and amateurs or even more experienced clandestine chemists. We developed a procedure that should be quick, easy follow and should give high, consistent yields (providing that the quality of the involved chemicals is appropriate). Now this is a rather small scale example which we advise all beginners to work with until mastering it, scaling up to vessels manipulable by hand (10-20L) shouldn’t be hard to do as long you are well aquatinted with smaller batches (increasingly larger).

Required materials:
GLASSWARE/EQUIPMENT:
  • Reaction flask 250mL (round, flat or Erlenmeyer)
  • Magnetic stirrer (simple one will do)
  • Beakers (One for drying, one for precipitating and one for depositing at least)
  • Separatory funnel 250ml
  • Vacuum filtration apparatus
  • Graduated cylinder 1x100mL+1x10ml (or 25mL)
  • Scale 0.01g accuracy
  • Ph paper
  • Pipettes 2ml (a couple)
  • glass stirring rod
REAGENTS/SOLVENTS:
  • 2-bromo-1-(4-methylphenyl)propan-1-one(4’M2BK)
  • Dicloromethane (DCM)
  • N-Methylpyrolidone(NMP)
  • 40%aq. methylamine (M40)
  • Distilled water (tap water may be also used)
  • Acetone 200-400ml (cold)
  • Conc.Hcl aq. @~37% 5-6ml (cold)
  • Anhydrous magnesium sulfate(MgSO4)
PROCEDURE: (synthesis performed by HerrHaber & AgamemnonFromTroy)

20.0g (0.087mol) of 4’M2BK where added to a 250ml flat bottom flask equipped with magnetic stirring.
15ml of NMP where added to the R.F. and stirring is turned on. (Fig.1)
30ml of DCM where also added to the R.F. right after. (Fig.2)
25ml of 40% a.q. monomethylamine freebase is added to the R.F. in one portion (fig.3), and a timer/stopwatch is turned on before a rubber stopper with a needle (so that pressure can escape) is added to the neck of the R.F. stirring intensity is increased and a timer it set to 30 minutes (25-40 depending on case and scale in general bigger batches need more time).
Over the course of 35 minutes the colour developed from the milky white(fig.4) to this strong yellow(fig.5). When the color stops intensifying in yellow (not orange) and exothermal phenomena subside the reaction is quenched with 60ml H2O added in one portion. (fig.6)
The R.M. is transferred into a sep funnel (fig.7)where it was washed another 2 times with 60 more mL distilled water and the pooled a.q. washes where then placed into a separate beaker (fig.8). The organic layer is drained into a separate beaker and dried over anhydrous MgSO4(fig.9). The washes where then extracted with 10-15mL dcm and the non polar DCM layer was placed in the same beaker with the organic layer (fig.10). The beaker with the DCM layers where dried for several minutes and placed into the fridge to cool (15-20 minutes).
*Dry acetone and conc. HCl a.q. are also advised to be freezer cold before proceeding.
The acid is added dropwise to the freebase in dcm mixture under fast stirring (fig.11) whilst also adding slowly increasing portions of acetone occasionally (fig.12) in the mean time… pH should also be monitored (don’t forget to moist the indicator) and should be fine around 6. Some where at 2/3 or 3/4 of the final mixture should be acetone in the end and it normally precipitates as a solid block that needs to be broken up with a glass rod (vid.1). This was vacuum filtered and washed twice with cold acetone.

Theoretical yield: 18,74g (4MMC HCl)
Practical yield 15.89g (85%) fig.13

Using this method our highest yield was 92%.
Note that we have used this procedure with varying degrees of success with other substituted methcathinones (3-chloro is a bitch to precipitate and also to recrystallise). Hope this was easy to follow and wish you the best luck!

P.M. Feel free to add your thoughts and results as well as problems you shouldn't but might encounter so we can help. The main reason for small batches is not to feel guilty for you being wasteful miss interpreting our writeup.
 

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*Fig 7 and 12 where missing*
 

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may I ask how you prepare your 40% methylanime freebase sol. ? You called it freebase, which I understand is you’ve prepared yourself, would you mind to share it ?
 
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Methylamine is a base and it's conjugate acid is methylammonium chloride ( aka methylamine hcl)
When you use the solid, crystal, methylammonium chloride you add a strong base and this breaks the bond and methylamine gas is liberated.. methylamine is a gas at atmospheric pressures and temps. This can be done in vitro or you can pump( bubble) the gas resulting from the salt and base, into a suitable solvent like wayer or methanol
 

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In most cases, 40% aqueous solution of the freebase amine gas is used if applicable such as the relevance of the presence of water, case in which if there is the need of freebase it can be bought anhydrous 30% in dry MeOH which I never tried for this but I bet it could work though in this particular case presence of water is needed to a certain extent in order to form the methylamine hydrobromide and hold to it so that it can be removed in workup.
 

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How if i have ethyl acetate and dmso can do the same ?
 

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yes you can but there's a chance it may go rainbow
 

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***We made a small mistake: for 20g of bromoketone 35ml of 40%aqmethylamine solution and 60ml DCM!!! Apologies***
 

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I'm interested in what the N-methyl-pyrolidone does because in EA I didn't use it, and there no pyroll moiety on 4-mmc
 

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NMP is used as a polar aprotic co-solvent, it functions as a Phase transfer catalist because our reaction involves two immiscible reactants (DCM organic phase) and M40 aqas phase) the NMP makes it so that the two phases mix better and that's why fast stirring is crucial. NMP can also be replaced by DMSO.
 

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Doesn't that make it harder/take longer to seperate though? Seeing how it's a cation, it should react with something, I'm guessing the methyl anion from the methylamine...?
 

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You're correct, NMP prefers water over DCM and that's why the organic layer is washed thoroughly with water afterwards.
 

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What is the point if NMP as a second solvent in the first place, and can it be substituted by a different solvent that is easier to obtain the hellscape called the EU?
 

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DMSO and DMF share similar properties but getting rid of them can be a bit of a challenge
 

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Some things I noticed while drawing that picture
1. You definitely don't NEED N-methyl pyrolidone, I see this synth in the same solvent without it.
2. N-methylpyrrollidone is a cation with no anion
 

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it just seems to do magic as co-solvent in speeding reaction time and kinetics that shows its effect even on small ratio to the dcm used and with some more tricks suggested in previous threads it seemed to improve my technique.
 

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How are you sure thats 4mmc tahts 85% by grams of 2b4m?
 

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calcuilating the percentage yield was done on the basis of comparing the moles of isolated product with the amount of moles that could have been only theoretically obtained
 
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How are you sure its pure product so it contains that amount of grams *
 

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My 2nd rule is: distillation 24/7 :) it just happens that i have mounted aparature for whole day... thinking about another one :) just all the time I am missing solents, yet its distilling all the day... i suggest just finding place on table and do this :)
 

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that is something on my todo list as well. using new solvents every time is becoming quite expensive too
 
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