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DOx & Ketamine

DOx refers to a class of psychedelic substances known as substituted amphetamines, characterized by a chemical structure that includes a methoxy group at the 2 and 5 positions of the phenethylamine molecule and a variety of substitutions at the 4 position.

The "x" in DOx represents different substituents, leading to compounds like DOB (2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine), DOC (2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine), DOI (2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine), and DOM (2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine).

These substances primarily act as potent agonists of the serotonin 5-HT2A receptor in the brain. By binding to this receptor, they alter normal serotonin signaling pathways, which play a crucial role in regulating mood, perception, and cognition. The activation of 5-HT2A receptors leads to increased neuronal activity in certain brain regions, resulting in the characteristic psychedelic effects associated with these compounds.

When someone ingests a DOx compound like DOC, the substance is absorbed into the bloodstream and crosses the blood-brain barrier. Once in the brain, it binds to 5-HT2A receptors, causing a cascade of changes in neural communication. This can lead to altered sensory perceptions, such as visual hallucinations where colors appear more vivid or patterns seem to move and shift. Auditory distortions might occur, making sounds seem amplified or echoing. Time perception can become distorted, with minutes feeling like hours.

Emotionally, individuals may experience heightened feelings of euphoria, introspection, or connectedness with others and the environment. Alternatively, some may encounter anxiety, confusion, or paranoia, especially at higher doses. Cognitive effects can include altered thought patterns, difficulty concentrating, or a sense of profound insight.

Physiologically, DOx compounds can cause increased heart rate, elevated blood pressure, vasoconstriction, and pupil dilation due to their stimulant properties. These effects stem from the compounds' additional action on adrenergic receptors and the release of neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine.

One notable aspect of DOx substances is their long duration of action. Effects can last anywhere from 12 to 24 hours or more, depending on the specific compound and dosage. This prolonged experience is due to their slow metabolism and elimination from the body. The liver primarily metabolizes these substances through processes like demethylation and oxidation, after which they are excreted via the kidneys.


Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic widely used in both human and veterinary medicine for its analgesic (pain-relieving) and anesthetic properties. Its primary mechanism of action involves antagonism of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, a subtype of glutamate receptor in the brain. By blocking NMDA receptors, ketamine inhibits the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate from binding, which leads to a decrease in neuronal excitability and interrupts the transmission of pain signals.

When administered, ketamine induces a trance-like state characterized by sedation, immobility, amnesia, and analgesia. For example, in a surgical setting, a patient given ketamine may appear awake with their eyes open but is unresponsive to sensory stimuli and does not experience pain during the procedure. This unique anesthetic state is sometimes referred to as "dissociative anesthesia" because the patient feels detached from their environment and self.

Ketamine also interacts with other receptor systems, including opioid receptors, which contribute to its analgesic effects, and dopaminergic and serotonergic systems, which may influence mood and cognition. Its ability to modulate these pathways has led to research into ketamine's rapid-acting antidepressant effects.

Ketamine's dissociative and hallucinogenic effects are due to its action on cortical and subcortical regions of the brain. Users may experience altered perceptions of time and space, visual and auditory hallucinations, and out-of-body experiences. These effects have led to ketamine's misuse as a recreational drug, often referred to as "Special K" on the street.

Physiologically, ketamine can cause an increase in heart rate and blood pressure due to sympathetic nervous system stimulation. This makes it a preferred anesthetic in trauma cases where maintaining cardiovascular stability is crucial. For example, in an emergency where a patient has lost a significant amount of blood, ketamine can be used to induce anesthesia without further compromising blood pressure.

Ketamine is metabolized in the liver by the cytochrome P450 enzyme system, producing norketamine, an active metabolite that also has anesthetic properties. The metabolites are excreted primarily via the kidneys.


Combining DOx compounds and ketamine involves the simultaneous use of two potent psychoactive substances with different mechanisms of action, leading to complex and unpredictable effects.
  • Enhanced Psychedelic Experience and Deepened Dissociation: Users might experience more vivid and complex sensory distortions, such as intricate geometric patterns, intensified colors, and profound alterations in spatial and temporal perception. The dissociation also might become more profound, potentially leading to out-of-body experiences or a sense of merging with external entities or the universe.
  • Cognitive Disruption: Both substances can impair cognitive functions such as attention, memory, and executive functioning. The combination may exacerbate these effects, resulting in confusion, disorganized thoughts, or difficulty in communicating. Users might find it challenging to differentiate between reality and hallucinations, increasing the risk of accidents or dangerous behaviors.
  • Emotional Variability: The combination can lead to intense emotional responses. Users may experience heightened euphoria, empathy, and feelings of connectedness, or conversely, anxiety, paranoia, and fear. The unpredictability of emotional responses is heightened due to the interplay between the substances' effects on serotonin and glutamate systems.
  • Physiological Effects: Both DOx compounds and ketamine can elevate heart rate and blood pressure. Their combined use may result in significant cardiovascular stress, posing risks for individuals with underlying heart conditions. Other physiological effects might include nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and ataxia (loss of coordination), increasing the likelihood of falls or injuries.
  • Risk of Serotonin Syndrome: DOx compounds increase serotonin levels by stimulating 5-HT2A receptors. While ketamine's impact on serotonin is less direct, its influence on multiple neurotransmitter systems might contribute to an imbalance. The combined effect could, in rare cases, lead to serotonin syndrome, characterized by agitation, confusion, rapid heart rate, dilated pupils, muscle rigidity, and elevated body temperature.
  • Prolonged Duration and Aftereffects: DOx substances are known for their long-lasting effects, sometimes exceeding 20 hours. Ketamine's effects are shorter but can alter the perception of time. The combination may lead to an extended and taxing experience, with potential aftereffects such as residual cognitive impairment, mood disturbances, or sleep disruptions lasting beyond the acute phase.
  • Potential for Psychological Distress: The intensified and prolonged altered state of consciousness can be overwhelming. Users may experience challenging psychological episodes, including panic attacks, psychosis-like symptoms, or exacerbation of underlying mental health conditions. The dissociative effects may hinder the ability to ground oneself, increasing the risk of a "bad trip."
  • Neurotoxicity Concerns: While ketamine has been associated with neuroprotective properties at clinical doses, high doses or chronic use may lead to neurotoxicity. DOx compounds can also strain neuronal systems. The combination might increase oxidative stress or excitotoxicity, although concrete evidence is limited.
  • Impaired Judgment and Risky Behavior: The cognitive and perceptual distortions may impair decision-making abilities. Users might engage in risky behaviors without fully understanding the consequences, such as operating machinery, driving, or putting themselves in dangerous situations.
At the time there is a scarcity of research specifically investigating the combined effects of DOx compounds and ketamine. Most information is derived from anecdotal reports, user experiences shared on forums, and extrapolation based on the pharmacological profiles of the substances. The lack of controlled studies means that the full extent of the risks and interactions is not well understood.

🟠 Considering the above, we recommend treating this combination with great caution.
 
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