Question Your opinion about this lab equipement?

[ymaaah]

for a cheap budget

hot plate + magnetic stirrer: https://www.vevor.fr/agitateurs-mag...?v_tag=5b3ee781-884a-11ed-a374-ef9393e9e8fb.1

air aspirator: https://www.vevor.fr/ventilateur-a-...?v_tag=63773e70-884a-11ed-94d6-411a5f21ce3d.1

vacuum pump: https://www.vevor.fr/pompe-a-vide-c...1l-min-hvac-auto-climatisation-p_010666811937

ph paper: https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/en/paper-indicator-universal-ph-1-11-and-ph-1-14.html

bubble condenser: https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/en/bulb-condenser.html

3 neck flat bottom flask: https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/fr/ballon-tricol-fond-rond.html

flat bottom flask 1 neck: https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/fr/flacons-a-fond-plat.html

Graduated test cylinder: https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/fr/cylinder-measurement-class-a.html

becher : https://www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl/fr/bechers.html

Ampoule à décanter, conique avec robinet PTFE

Ampoule à décanter en verre borosilicaté avec robinet en PTFE. En vente à bas prix sur labdiscounter.nl

www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl

Entonnoir Büchner en porcelaine

www.laboratoriumdiscounter.nl

what else? stuff for distillation, but I'm not sure what it could be used for the synthesis of amphet sulfate or mephedrone

 

[WinterDust]

My man,

First thing first, what are tou interested in synthesizing?

Amphetamine or Mephedrone?

Either way, if you go into the articles and read them, there is a list of required lab equipment for each synthesis and adapt there after.

Best regards

 

[ymaaah]

Hi bro, both
Yeah im stupid, I didnt think about this way

but stuff of vevor is good?

 

[WinterDust]

Hey,

Vevor is equipment for the "Jack of all trades" so to speak.

If you are looking into serious synthesizing and manufacturing the I would recommend you to buy real lab equipment, if you are doing it for fun, small scale, yeah sure Vevor will do the job.

Best regards

 

[ymaaah]

yeah for small scale !

thanks bro

 

[Acidosis]

First, as you have already been told in other publications, you should study the synthesis of each compound that you are going to want to synthesize well because I can guarantee that there are compounds like the ones you have named that even require expensive equipment or glassware, with a little ingenuity. and homemade tools you could manufacture cathinones and amphetamines. greetings and happy new year friend!!!.

 

[m924]

would you say it's an okay idea to make 3 or 4-mmc from the xmethyl bromoketone without proper lab equipment? Cuz i'm interested in trying that one day starting from that chemical, but dont want to spend too much money on the equipment as it'll be low scale anyways without the intention of making money from it

 

[Acidosis]

I am convinced that you can synthesize 4 mmc or any cathinones without laboratory equipment, from my own experience I guarantee it.

 

[Acidosis]

This is bkmdma and dont use any laboratorio thinks

 

[m924]

What things did u use for it? I'm intrested in synthesizing 4mmc

 

[Never to sleep]

People are shitting on VEVOR as a company but truth be told it's not bad for the amateur. If you're starting out it is a bang for the buck. Just remember that there usually are some notably good reasons why more expensive lab gear costs more. Don't really expect to stop there. Expect to upgrade the inventory as you progress and you're good.

 

[HairyPoppins]

They don't synth their own ketones ,acids, or alcohols. its good to learn how to do that, which is more than a reaction vessel, but do take advice from the og members. I wish i had this information when i first started. to be anonymous and safe for mostly!

 

[Never to sleep]

Exactly. Nobody does that when they're starting out. You learn as you go, you buy as you need.

 

[Loki12]

As you previously stated, you want to do small scale. Do yourself a favor then and stay off the radar for now then, do not buy your glass from European established chemical companies, do you even have a legit reason for doing so?

1. There is plenty of great quality, CHEAP laboratory glass from China. They have shipping from EU countries in some cases or expedited shipping processes where their packages are handled in bulk via an agreement with the platform that they sell on (think alibaba websites).
2. Source your chemicals from normal companies (there is a whole thread on excuses for chemicals, on OTC chemicals, find a company that specializes in for example cleaning inkheads on printers and order your isopropyl alcohol from them), buy tech-grade chemicals, purify them, it's a learning experience too, you learn new things about what you're working with.
3. Vevor is good enough, but don't buy from them directly I would say. They are Chinese too I believe, but they have most of their wares in EU warehouses connected to alibaba platform. Alibaba serves as a kind of escrow service. You don't need anything better for small scale reactions (sub 10L I would say), but expect Vevor to not have the best QC.
4. Ebay is your friend, both glass and for lab equipment. Liquidations, closing of laboratories, stuff goes on sale, you can buy dirt cheap.

Once you graduate and figure out the process for buying a 20L reaction vessel from a chemical company, you won't need to ask these questions, because you will already know the answers. By then you will also have spent a fuckload of money on different equipment and wish that you just bought the 20L reaction vessel right off the bat. But you will not regret the experience that you will gain along the way or the understanding of the equipment that you will need.

 

[Never to sleep]

I agree. You shouldn't buy from them directly. I've seen VEVOR equipment being sold on AliExpress for instance. When buying indirectly you at least have some assurance that in case it comes damaged or something you can create a dispute on the selling platform which gives you some leverage.

 

[ymaaah]

Hi Loki,

Why I cant buy stuff from UE source? It is too dangerous for me?

Okay I see, but when I mean small scale, I mean like 1g of final product, or even less (to learn basics skills ect)

 

[Loki12]

I never said you couldn't. I implied you most likely would be better off. It all depends on the risks that you are willing to take and how good your OPSEC is. If you have a registered, established company that could have legitimate uses for laboratory grade glassware, including 3-necked round-bottom-flasks, separatory funnels, buchner funnels, etc. and you feel confident buying all this stuff at once, then you do not need to ask these questions.
Just know that somebody could look at your purchase history and if that happens, you are at the very least going to have to explain yourself via telephone that you give when ordering.

It is one thing to buy yourself even a 5L round-bottom-flask and a distillation column, hell, I think my grandfather has a setup bigger than that, but nobody will look at 3-necked RBFs ever and think that you are just distilling sugar washes to make cheap alcohol x)
Buchner funnels, vacuum pumps, separatory funnels, these are not cheap things, unless you are a chemistry student with an expensive hobby or like I said, have a legit company where you are required to use this stuff, what is your reasoning for having them? You basically ordered enough stuff to outfit a small laboratory. Did you do this under your own name?

Most EU vendors keep records, you are not buying from a private individual, these are companies who have servers with customer data, where your purchase will appear after placement and be stored for god knows how long. Some EU vendors are required to (and some actually voluntarily) report suspicious orders to the police, you will still get your stuff, but you will most likely also be put on a watchlist or might even get a knock on your door, in a day maybe or maybe in 10 months, maybe your police department is too swamped or maybe they will monitor your purchases and let you dig a deeper hole. Do you know the laws surrounding manufacture of chemicals in your country? Have you visited any forums related to hobby chemistry, photography, explosives that exist in your country? I bet they do exist and I bet that they also have a section on local laws and regulations, maybe even you can find some stories of people involved in making flash rockets or doing black-white photography in their basement and getting a visit from the police...

You are in the EU, correct? Do you know what REACH is? Do you know which chemicals are considered precursors to explosives and which to narcotics? Are you aware that even NileRed (on youtube chemistry major, does educational videos) who lives in Canada, got a call from their federal police, because he bought too big of a funnel? He bought it on EBAY by the way... You think that Canadians give more fucks than our local police departments and Interpol? We have a whole group of countries who exchange this kind of information with one another and dedicate whole taskforces to hunting down clandestine laboratories.. when they come and see your dirty 3 necked flask along with precursors for amphetamine and 4mmc, you think they will care about your story about how you only synthesized a gram before they caught you? They will slap you with manufacture, the weight of the precursors and god knows what else.

I guess the point is, you are better off buying from China, because nobody there gives a fuck about what you are doing in Europe, the poor Chinamen just want to get their shit off and you can buy like 40 PCS of glassware for 1k euro, everything from condensors to funnels and shit, I believe even VEVOR has a set like that on dhgate or aliexpress or w/e and they already have it in a European warehouse most likely, so you will pay 1/4 the price and have to wait a couple extra days... seems like a bargain, right?
You should probably still avoid sending the package to your own home or to your own name, just to sleep safe.. I don't know how much experience you have, hence the long post, but you generally want to follow the rule "don't shit where you sleep/eat"...

 

[ymaaah]

Thanks for your message man

I didnt know that police was so attentive about purchase of material

I will buy in China for sure, and I will ship into my post office, this is safe ?

 

[Never to sleep]

I would say it doesn't get any safer. It's not like China is very cooperative with the outside governments.

 

[ymaaah]

Okay I see, so if I buy stuff from alibaba or aliexpress, obviously, I dont put my real address, I put the post office address but concerning my name? I dont take my passport to proove my identity because they know me so I cant change my name with a fake passport

 

[ymaaah]

Concerning the shipping address, my post office knows me and I can ask them if they can change my name by a society that I can create for 1€ or I can ask them to change my name by another name and tell them its because I dont want to put my name on websites, they will accept I think (there is a post-it with my name and my phone number in the warehouse, if they receive a letter for me, they call me and I dont need to show my idendity card because they see my face a lot of time)

And for contact, I have two which one who is famous in the steroid market, they are the biggest reseller of steroid powder, gH etc (qingdao sigma chemical) and another contact who sell DNP, I can maybe ask them if they know a contact who can sell me stuff or smtg like that

 

[ymaaah]

Okay but AliExpress, Alibaba or made-in-china? they are so similar..
It is so interesting wtf I didnt know it was so hard to buy chemistry stuff..
If you want to know, I am from France so idk if it changes for smtg?

 

[StarWars]

U dont need lab equipment to made 4mmc u need only glass bottel from vodka to made 4mmc

 

[Loki12]

@StarWars

Yes, I believe this is also a valid point that OP should look at. If you are doing this to get money our friend, then you could honestly do without buying a lot of laboratory glade glass and just use whatever you have at your disposal. Spend the rest on reagents, so that you produce let's say 3 kilos of meth, you clean up, you stash those 3 kilos and sell them outright acting as a middleman for someone or you move them in let's say 6 smaller deals, as a middleman of course, always acting like you don't know shit about shit...

Now if chemistry is something that interests you and you want to learn more than one synthesis and actually become knowledgeable about a topic.. then however illegal manufacturing drugs is, it seems like you have chosen it as your hobby. So maybe take another approach and try to find a legitimate reason for having this stuff at your home.. make some luminol, write down the synthesis and store it for the police to find, put some metals in small jars and display them next to your three-necked-flask... and keep all your illegal shit like amphetamine precursors at another place across town.. you can learn small chemistry from legal things too and when you want to make that one gram of whatever, you can go get your reagents, complete the synthesis, clean up and have only the clean glassware and small amount of product.. just a weirdo with 2g of speed and a fascination with chemistry..

 

[m924]

Thank you so much for the info!

 

[ElementalEnigma]

Watch "never get busted" two one hour videos by an ex narc it explains a lot of precautions you can take when ordering things and lots of others that come in handy.